tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post5380843116706125959..comments2024-01-23T03:22:38.697-05:00Comments on Chicken Soup for the Dorky Soul: On Blaming the VictimVanessahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12173369530050037666noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-32698236546900222012010-05-12T08:51:37.758-04:002010-05-12T08:51:37.758-04:00Miss Anonymous: Thank you SO MUCH for sharing what...Miss Anonymous: Thank you SO MUCH for sharing what happened to you. I'm so sorry you had to experience what you did. I'm glad you came to terms with the fact it wasn't your fault.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12173369530050037666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-27052222738010034682010-05-10T07:47:02.609-04:002010-05-10T07:47:02.609-04:00I agree with you, but I also understand the "...I agree with you, but I also understand the "asking for it" point. I think that, of course, no one wants to get raped, but that some girls seem eager to have sex, so the raper thinks there will be no violence. Do you see my point? I am by no means defending the raper, no one has the right to abuse just because "it seems it is wanted" by the victim, but the fact remains: you have to be careful. <br />I agree with SaturdayJane: the woman is the problem because a man can't control himself?! That doesn't make any sense and that is what is served to us.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01496034494751333297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-80032380930901157442010-05-09T00:18:31.023-04:002010-05-09T00:18:31.023-04:00i didnt read your post because of the note, but i ...i didnt read your post because of the note, but i thought i would share. <br /><br />i put myself in a stupid situation at a party a year and a half ago, leading to my best friend's ex completely taking advantage of me, and for SO LONG it felt like I had done something wrong (because best friends don't sleep with best friend's ex's!!). <br /><br />i broke into tears in my kitchen a couple of weeks ago, because it dawned on me that it wasn't ok to blame myself and brush it off as something stupid that i let happen, it is definitely not ok what he did to me, and it is a big deal. <br /><br />obviously i don't want to put myself in stupid situations such as that night again, but i just wanted to thank you for posting about how its not ok to blame the victim, because i know what it's like to blame yourself and i hope other people who have been raped or abused come to realise that no matter what stupid situation you end up in, that sort of stuff is never ok and it is ok to NOT blame yourself, let alone let others blame you.miss anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-659021545668191012010-05-07T22:29:16.468-04:002010-05-07T22:29:16.468-04:00I feel so sick reading about that unbelievably ign...I feel so sick reading about that unbelievably ignorant person/stance. <br /><br />A lot of really good points have been brought up already, but I want to highlight the point that men are more than capable of controlling themselves -- hell, of acting like HUMAN BEINGS and just plain not raping women. I know that rape is not at all about sex, but control of one's own demons is what this is all about, not about whether or not I'm showing too much cleavage.amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14644571282589467330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-49240199861348832902010-05-07T11:00:52.672-04:002010-05-07T11:00:52.672-04:00As someone who has worked with sexual assault surv...As someone who has worked with sexual assault survivors for over 8 years, regardless of the situation, no one deserves to be raped. If a person is drunk at a party then it is up to the rapist NOT TO RAPE HER/HIM! How about some accountability for the rapist? They are clear minded, they can stop themselves. If someone is not able to make clear choices because they are under the influence or find themselves in a bad situation it is up to the attacker to stop. They are just as capable of making a good decision too.<br /><br />So instead of blaming the victim, how about holding the rapist accountable. They can leave the situation, walk the other way, tell a friend to take the person home.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17608447170594051462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-39525973476861395922010-05-07T08:49:02.401-04:002010-05-07T08:49:02.401-04:00Thank you all for your comments! You're such a...Thank you all for your comments! You're such a wonderful, intelligent bunch of people.<br /><br />And by the way, Alex, I saw that article and it... ugh, I absolutely confounds me! Messed up.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12173369530050037666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-24975205588956096582010-05-07T05:36:53.724-04:002010-05-07T05:36:53.724-04:00Thanks for posting about this; it is such an impor...Thanks for posting about this; it is such an important topic. The people who have commented before have discussed this issue so well I have nothing further to add except that I saw this today and it raised a frightening number of issues:- http://www.bust.com/blog/2010/05/03/australian-jury-acquits-accused-rapist-because-victim-wore-skinny-jeans.htmlAlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11769037033838469683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-55433718291337047522010-05-06T22:42:12.412-04:002010-05-06T22:42:12.412-04:00I whole-heartedly agree with that point, there.
...I whole-heartedly agree with that point, there. <br /><br />You're entirely right too that it is an extremely idealistic point of view. Which also makes it seem very impossible to achieve something like society realizing that you don't just go around sexually violating people because you feel like it or they looked like they wanted it.<br /><br />What I find sad is the idea that there are millions more people that truly believe such a horrible thing like this. Not even just people, there are cultures that condone this sort of thinking as well. <br /><br />At this point in our highly sexualized society, where would we ever begin trying to prove reason to the unreasonable, such as this girl in your Faulkner class?<br /><br />I feel a pretty good answer to that question is what you're doing right now. <br /><br />Safely venting in a forum where you can intelligently express, even defend your point, and still come across as the smart one in the end. You can educate as many people that care to listen and then take every comfort you can in knowing that at least YOU are doing something. It may be a really tiny, small difference but YOU are making the choice to be classier (and much more educated and well informed) than this other girl.<br /><br />Anyways. I hope that all made sense and I didn't get too run-on-y there or anything. <br /><br />Just close your eyes and count to 10 next time she opens her mouth. lolLaellshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03093203599277941204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-69285715789869792422010-05-06T21:35:45.510-04:002010-05-06T21:35:45.510-04:00Ughh... I find it horrifying that those comments, ...Ughh... I find it horrifying that those comments, she "deserves to be raped," came from a girl! Normally, whenever I have encountered people "playing the blame game", it has been from men(which is equally wrong). No one should have to fear for their life and safety, even if they did do something dumb (such as have too many drinks). I think Vanessa, that you said everything so perfectly, and I couldn't have said it better. By the way, I wanted to thank you for your sweet little honor of a blog award, it made my day! :)Jemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09148777915490508203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-17220032573556144792010-05-06T19:22:37.892-04:002010-05-06T19:22:37.892-04:00I completely agree with this post and completely d...I completely agree with this post and completely disagree with anonymous. Yes, you should take the consequences for your actions if you sleep in, miss the bus and end up getting to work late; but since when is rape a consequence? <br /><br />When it comes to rape what 'bad choice' can you make to put yourself in that situation? Who has the right or the power to say that because you got too drunk at a party you should be fully prepared to get raped?! It's absolutely ludicrous and disgusting that we're in a world where such limitations are put upon us. If I want to, I should be allowed to wear revealing clothing, get ridiculously drunk and walk home through a dark alley without the fear or expectation of getting raped. I don't care if you walk around in a bikini or a burqua, no one has the right to violate your body in such a way.StephanieDJLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08939945149545136553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-54288594567277361852010-05-06T16:14:01.513-04:002010-05-06T16:14:01.513-04:00Anonymous: Thanks for bringing this up.
I'd ...Anonymous: Thanks for bringing this up. <br /><br />I'd like to clarify that I don't think that if someone is raped it absolves them of a bad choice-- maybe I should have made that clearer. I think, for instance, if you get drunk at a party and you're raped, it doesn't mean that being drunk at a party or walking around the bad side of town wasn't a bad idea. You knew you were putting yourself in a very vulnerable position and you shouldn't have. What I'm saying, though, is that I don't believe that a bad choice should WARRANT anyone taking advantage of another person. Perhaps the drunk girl at the party was doing the wrong thing, but I also think ANY kind of assault is the wrong consequence.<br /><br />I suppose what I'm trying to say is sort've idealist in the sense that I wish the world worked in a way where people don't have to fear that their actions will result in being harmed. Because I don't believe being a woman in the wrong place at the wrong time should mean punishment (of course, men get raped, too, so this also can be applied there).<br /><br />I also agree with Jessica that part of what really bothers me is that men are almost absolved by the "asking for it" argument-- "well, that girl was being slutty/stupid/etc so I just couldn't help it" and somehow that's supposed to be okay.Vanessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12173369530050037666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-79829476196263012402010-05-06T13:54:02.788-04:002010-05-06T13:54:02.788-04:00Hear, hear, Vanessa.
Part of what irritates me ab...Hear, hear, Vanessa.<br /><br />Part of what irritates me about the argument that a woman is 'asking for it' is the implication that a man somehow can't stop himself from raping. It's like, if a dude sees too much cleavage he has NO CHOICE but to rape, and thus it's the woman's fault.<br /><br />I can agree with Anonymous' sentiment that one should understand the consequences of their actions and learn from their mistakes, but it's sadly true that there are PLENTY of people who would disagree with you saying, "nobody deserves to get raped". The idea that rape can be a fitting punishment for a woman who dares to provoke a man's sexual tendencies is ridiculous. Anonymous, I don't believe Vanessa was arguing that Temple was absolved of any wrongdoing here, just railing against the idea that rape is anything but a heinous crime. It is not the natural result of a woman's action, nor a lesson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5074000254394034861.post-83400147141128630512010-05-06T12:35:01.484-04:002010-05-06T12:35:01.484-04:00You know, it's not at all unreasonable for som...You know, it's not at all unreasonable for somebody to feel that a person who regularly and deliberately places him or herself into dangerous situations should indeed understand the consequences of those choices. If a girl places herself in bad situations over and over again and something bad happens, it doesn't accomplish anything to "blame" her, but she should learn a lesson about the choices that led to that situation. People aren't going to disagree with you saying that "nobody deserves to get raped," so your rant is a very safe one, but the point needs to be made that just because something terrible happens to the girl in this situation, that does not absolve her of any bad decisions that she might have made leading up to that point. People can and should feel bad about the end result, but it's still worth noting that the victim may not have been entirely acting as she should have as well. I'd be surprised if something like this wasn't what the person in your class was saying, and flying off the handle like this is hardly warranted for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com